Tonedeaf Request

Chris Abbott · Post by **Chris Abbott** » 30/11/2003 - 20:49

Nah, any sheet music is good. I was just talking about my other "grand plan"...

> I Can see it now - a night of BBC The Proms - Orchestral SidLive 2005

I planned something like this to happen in 2003. It would have happened if the scene was 10 times bigger... but it isn't.

BTW: Don't forget that BIT 3 and BIT 2 contain some great orchestral work as well as the excellent RKO stuff... all of which means there's well enough material for an orchestral concert if proper musical scores existed: but you need to be specifically musically trained to do them so there are no problems: or at least to have done an awful lot of reading and self-learning.

Chris

Matrix · Post by **Matrix** » 30/11/2003 - 21:56

My own prefs is to have a double stave all in one sheet with chord guitar blocks above the staves when they change, this is in line with most music manuscripts for keyboards.

carlsson · Post by **carlsson** » 01/12/2003 - 8:28

Chris Abbott wrote:you need to be specifically musically trained to do them so there are no problems: or at least to have done an awful lot of reading and self-learning.

If it helps anyone, I can write down my self-learned knowledge on possible and useful ranges, capacities, strengths and transponation when it comes to wind instruments and possibly timpani. Strings I don't know, but an inexpensive idea would be to try making your own score and have it roughly validated at some music school, trained composer/arranger or just played as it is by an orchestra.

Chris Abbott · Post by **Chris Abbott** » 01/12/2003 - 9:05

Thanks for the offer

Actually I (and Markus S) have bought the Rimsky-Korsakov orchestral arranging tutorial, which also covers these things nicely (and Ben Daglish lent me a good book on this sort of stuff too)... they're very good books, and it's amazing how much is involved.

You're right in that it's easier to create a rough draft which you then have validated: especially if you have the right software such as Sibelius.

Chris

merman · Post by **merman** » 01/12/2003 - 11:04

As Matrix said, the ideal sort of arrangement would be like the piano-vocal-guitar books of pop music you can get. 3 staves - melody, chords, bass - with chord boxes above.

And why not ask the various SID bands about how they do their stuff? I'm sure they must have at least the chord changes written down.

Matrix · Post by **Matrix** » 13/12/2003 - 14:45

Hmm seems like this idea died with boots on

ifadeo · Post by **ifadeo** » 13/12/2003 - 15:06

Matrix wrote:Hmm seems like this idea died with boots on

why? what's 'bout a side with scores from c64 remixes..
i could do some from my remixes...

cheers ifadeo

Markus Schneider · Post by **Markus Schneider** » 13/12/2003 - 15:10

ifadeo wrote:
Matrix wrote:I Can see it now - a night of BBC The Proms - Orchestral SidLive 2005
...but it`s a nice thought.... maybe you should contact markus schneider
'bout this....

Well, the idea is in my mind since some months. But it's hell of work and a lot of money. But for everybody who's arranging orchestral stuff using 'artificial' players it's THE dream.
I got some very good contacts in the last weeks, so who knows some day.

Chris wrote: Actually I (and Markus S) have bought the Rimsky-Korsakov orchestral arranging tutorial

Yes, true. The most interesting books I have read so far are the one mentioned above, Cecil Forsyth' "Orchestration" and Samuel Adler's "The Study of Orchestration". The latter is the one I am consulting nearly everyday. I haven't found any good german written book so far by the way.

Pex `Mahoney` Tufvesson · Post by **Pex `Mahoney` Tufvesson** » 13/12/2003 - 17:16

Markus Schneider wrote:Cecil Forsyth' "Orchestration" and Samuel Adler's "The Study of Orchestration"...

...and Markus, you're getting really good at arranging! It's a pleasure listening to (...and also hmmm... a pleasure to "improve" your stuff...

)

Matrix · Post by **Matrix** » 13/12/2003 - 17:24

Lmao Pex - you tease

Markus Schneider · Post by **Markus Schneider** » 14/12/2003 - 9:10

Nahh, it looks like that, but it isn't:
he's just right

Matrix · Post by **Matrix** » 14/12/2003 - 13:51

hahahaha