Commodore Remix

Chris Abbott wrote:> Badass Nipple
Heh, good title.

Any other thoughts?

Fatass Tits?

Chris Abbott wrote:> If the idea is to keep the event in the uk,
That's precisely what's NOT happening.

But I get your point: as an additional filler with one-man-and-his-Sidstation stuff, it could be good. I'm just not sure how many people will be able to fly to Italy in the middle of the week. Getting 100-150 UK people off their arses to come to London at a weekend was hard enough. And yes, it made me indignant and angry. Still does, kind of. Though somehow there managed to be over 200 people at the event.
Chris

Well, i surely don't know how things works in uk.

I dont' think it would be a so huge pain-in-the-ass to get 2 days off work knowing the dates 6 months before.

I don't exactly get the problem here.

Is the problem:

-Flying to italy spending 1 euro (or 10, 20, 30 whatever it is)?
-Spending the night in a camping, paying a fraction of what an hotel costs in uk?
-Eating at much lower rates than in uk?
-Having a no-probs solution with coaches carrying ppl to/from the event?
-Getting 2 fuckin' days offwork?

Well, i can perfectly undestand why you had enough of organizing such events

Ok, sorry men: i can find solutions here in italy, where i live, not in UK or any other place in europe, where you would be more happy to fly to.

I'll be more than happy to go to whatever event in europe: if in any point in your life you'll want to come here, well, organize it by yourself. I can't simply get angry for dudes who can't afford to take 2 days offwork.

bye.

DHS wrote:

madfiddler wrote:Of course... don't forget the costs will be more flying the performers out. Copenhagen is PPOT's home turf, so no flight or accomodation costs there, just the "others".. In Italy... everyone needs to fly, and stay somewhere...

I definitely would love to come to Copenhagen, so there's no prob about that. As i said, my idea is just an opportunity, not a "in place of" proposal.

Said that, flights from europe to italy (expecially inweek) with ryanair could be as cheap as 0,90 euros.

On the fact that everyone needs to get a bed, that's true, exactly as it has been true for *any* bitlive until today. Performers had to sleep somewhere (ppot too) and had expenses. Ok, mainly we saw ppl from UK.

If the idea is to keep the event in the uk, so the great part of the attendants don't has to spend money, i can't do anything about that.

I spent my money to come to 2 bitlive. I don't see why other ppl can't do the same.

cheers.

You've missed the point here dude.

The ticket price for the event, has to include the costs of the performers. Therefore the ticket price will be more than say Copenhagen (which is PPOT's home ground and don't need flights or accomodation. Bit in Copenhagen *would not* need flights and beds for ever performer since some will already have them.

We're talking out of the UK because we feel more people would come.. If the UK people don't go, then that's up to them. However, you cannot assume the the performers are going to take holiday from jobs, do a couple of days rehersal, a gig in the evening, in a foreign country AND have to pay their flights and accomodation too...

All I can say is, that although the idea of doing something in the Italian club has great appeal to me, I've grown disillusioned that enough people would take the time and trouble to make the journey, mostly through fear of the unknown, I guess, when it comes down to it.

As I said, it could work as an event with one-person acts doing more of a Finnish knob-twiddling thing, and a return to a Gossips style BIT Live but without the retro gaming. Maybe set a date and start getting "reservations" now and see what the interest is? I dunno. It's this kind of conundrum that made me fed up of the organising thing: it's impossible to judge what kind of mood and circumstances the audience is in!

Chris

Mark, DHS wasn't suggesting Verona as a replacement for Copenhagen, more as an additional event that could be held at any time. His issue was with the perceived wussiness of the prospective audience to flying abroad to a nice town, eating nice pizza, and shagging pretty German tourists.

Chris

Chris Abbott wrote:All I can say is, that although the idea of doing something in the Italian club has great appeal to me, I've grown disillusioned that enough people would take the time and trouble to make the journey, mostly through fear of the unknown, I guess, when it comes down to it.

Agree 110%

Additional event.. ah.. ok..

I have to say i love the idea of "Bit Italy"!!!

However, my concern would be apart from N-joy and DHS i can't actually think of another italian in the scene... So, a large content of Home grown people might be too few..

Bit UK has always primarily had a large content of home grown people people in attendence, bolstered by a large european contingent.

If Italy was to host such an event, which i really like the sound of, would it be able to have a large amount of visitors wishing to go?

> I have to say i love the idea of "Bit Italy"!!!

Tourist shagger!

BitVenice - We could do all the water game tunes plus maybe marble madness

Chris Abbott wrote:> I have to say i love the idea of "Bit Italy"!!!

Tourist shagger!

damn, i've been sussed

madfiddler wrote:However, you cannot assume the the performers are going to take holiday from jobs, do a couple of days rehersal, a gig in the evening, in a foreign country AND have to pay their flights and accomodation too...

Got it.

So, let's assume in a next event the whole Sounwavers will perform.
Would we have free flights and beds?

I don't remember I had any offer in this sense for the c64mafia for london.
Neither, i would have asked Chris for. I don't know if you're a pro, or consider yourself as a pro or whatever. For me this is fun. I'd never charge expenses to Chris or whatsoever to perform at bitlive. Even in the case i was a pro.

In my poor unreliable mind, playing at a bitlive should be an honour and a funny thing you do. Not a job, not thing that has to be done only if "refunded" in some way.

Of course this is me, and it would be arrogant to ask everyone to think as i do. Nevertheless, it's growing in me the idea that after all, it's a luck i'll not get involved in those businness.

Bye.

Tas wrote:However, my concern would be apart from N-joy and DHS i can't actually think of another italian in the scene... So, a large content of Home grown people might be too few..

Well, i was counting in the idea of 2 days of vacancy in a splendid locality, paying few bucks with the bonus of the event.

As i see, this isn't enough to move british asses from the chairs.

What's more, some wants to be paid for.

Is that the Scene spirit? Ah, yes, now i remember.

I mean i'd certainly go to Italy i was just putting the whole thing into perspective really. I'm not one of those "Won't leave my country" kind of people.. I've already been to Germany this year to see the Games Concert in Leipzig and visited Slay radio HQ in sweden.

Italy for me personally is a place i'd love to visit, but thats me and i don't think it'll be just a "British off your asses syndrome" thing either... Take Germany's event. That too had a large amount of germans there than any other nationality. No suprise it was in germany. I think you need a core element primarilly for something like it to work.

It's only an opinion, i may be wrong!

DHS wrote:

madfiddler wrote:However, you cannot assume the the performers are going to take holiday from jobs, do a couple of days rehersal, a gig in the evening, in a foreign country AND have to pay their flights and accomodation too...

Got it.

So, let's assume in a next event the whole Sounwavers will perform.
Would we have free flights and beds?

I don't remember I had any offer in this sense for the c64mafia for london.
Neither, i would have asked Chris for. I don't know if you're a pro, or consider yourself as a pro or whatever. For me this is fun. I'd never charge expenses to Chris or whatsoever to perform at bitlive. Even in the case i was a pro.

In my poor unreliable mind, playing at a bitlive should be an honour and a funny thing you do. Not a job, not thing that has to be done only if "refunded" in some way.

Of course this is me, and it would be arrogant to ask everyone to think as i do. Nevertheless, it's growing in me the idea that after all, it's a luck i'll not get involved in those businness.

Bye.

Who said getting paid... but at an event which is supposed to make a profit, you don't agree that the people causing the event to make a profit should have their travel expenses paid for? blimey.

And I guess I'm a semi pro. Not doing it full time, but get a few decent gigs once in a while.

I'll let Ben know that it's an honour for him to play at BITLive too, shall I? oh and Rob last year....

I think you're already being arrogant in that reply.

Can I have the last word on the "payment" issue?

I've always felt it's fair to offer expenses to the performers. I've therefore always offered them, and been extremely grateful if the performers turn around and say "nah, it's OK thanks". It's not something I have any right to expect.

People who do ask for expenses have my full support (er, as long as they give me a bit more time to pay : there's a variety of reasons for needing it, from the principle of the thing, to just needing the money. But it's not greed. Otherwise they wouldn't even be there, giving their all.

This is why the idea of the performers fund was put up for BIT Live 2006.
Now, let's talk about something else.

Chris