just in case...
If Merkel & Stoiber wins, life in Germany gets a bit harder...Matrix wrote:Whats happening in the elections then ? surely all this only matters AFTER the election if the wrong person gets the majority vote ?
esp. if you had a family... or if your're poor... or if you against G.W.Bush...
but that's my opinion...
cheers ifadeo
IMHO the SPD just claims to be social, but is not. The left wing partys talk what people want to hear. All reforms they made (like Hartz IV) have one serious flaw: they still support the lazy ass and punish diligence. Who cares to build up an existence if the state takes it all away from you? If you have nothing, you lose nothinig.
And a fact which noone wants to hear: Buerocracy and labor unions have made Germany unattractive for industries. There can't be any socialism before the industry is back on track - all the promises the current government has made for 7 years can't be realised because it's utopy. Give them another 4 years and our industry and commerce will be completely ruined. Don't they have done enough damage?
The problem with Merkel is: she may be a good politician, but is a bad entertainer. Schröder has tremendous carisma, and that already won him the 2002 election. Only after the election, people will realise they have been fooled again by his charme. Even worse with Lafontaine: he's all showman, talks what people want to hear, but with no concepts that can bring any good.
Without a strong economy, there can be no ecology or socialism - that's what most people don't want to hear, but it's a fact.
And what has the SPD done for families? Made full-time-schools? Sorry this is not pro-family IMO, au contraire. What is a family if both parents have to work to get around, and the kids are in the State's care the whole day - not what I call a family life.
I'm not a great fan of CDU either, but the left wing has done about everything wrong what could be done wrong. That's why my vote goes with CDU or FDP, if the current government stays on, everything will get much much worse.
Sorry for the political rant, but it pains me to see how people are blinded by our chancellor's charme again and forget all the crap he and his government have caused in the past years.
Right now Vosla might need better social welfare, but actually he needs a job! And he's not going to get one if the current gov stays on. If this keeps on, there will be no jobs and money left for any welfare at all.
My humble opinion.
Anyway Vosla, I really hope your situation improves soonish!
- Markus
And a fact which noone wants to hear: Buerocracy and labor unions have made Germany unattractive for industries. There can't be any socialism before the industry is back on track - all the promises the current government has made for 7 years can't be realised because it's utopy. Give them another 4 years and our industry and commerce will be completely ruined. Don't they have done enough damage?
The problem with Merkel is: she may be a good politician, but is a bad entertainer. Schröder has tremendous carisma, and that already won him the 2002 election. Only after the election, people will realise they have been fooled again by his charme. Even worse with Lafontaine: he's all showman, talks what people want to hear, but with no concepts that can bring any good.
Without a strong economy, there can be no ecology or socialism - that's what most people don't want to hear, but it's a fact.
And what has the SPD done for families? Made full-time-schools? Sorry this is not pro-family IMO, au contraire. What is a family if both parents have to work to get around, and the kids are in the State's care the whole day - not what I call a family life.
I'm not a great fan of CDU either, but the left wing has done about everything wrong what could be done wrong. That's why my vote goes with CDU or FDP, if the current government stays on, everything will get much much worse.
Sorry for the political rant, but it pains me to see how people are blinded by our chancellor's charme again and forget all the crap he and his government have caused in the past years.
Right now Vosla might need better social welfare, but actually he needs a job! And he's not going to get one if the current gov stays on. If this keeps on, there will be no jobs and money left for any welfare at all.
My humble opinion.
Anyway Vosla, I really hope your situation improves soonish!
- Markus
Don't be afraid of people like Koch or Stoiber - you might as well be afraid of people like Lafontaine, Künast, Schilly, Tritin... In elections, you'll always have to decide for the lesser evil, and that decision is VERY easy for me this time.
Anyway you might be right, discussing politics can easily become a pandora's box on a forum...
Peace.
Anyway you might be right, discussing politics can easily become a pandora's box on a forum...
Peace.
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Saw a stupid party on telly yesterday, <a href="http://www.humanwirtschaftspartei.de/"> ... partei"</a>, publicly spearheaded by the nutty 70s singer Christian Anders. Their main goal is to completely remove interest ("Zinsen") from the finance system. 
While I strongly disagree about the political statement Markus has made here, I would just like to make one request: regardless of which democratic party you favor, please go and cast your vote on Sunday - it's important to keep in mind that there are many countries in the world where people don't have the right to elect their government. We sometimes tend to forget that democracy is not for granted...
@ Vosla: if you feel a free "Immortal" CD could cheer you up (just a bit), drop me a line.
@ Vosla: if you feel a free "Immortal" CD could cheer you up (just a bit), drop me a line.
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Though my vote won't move a single butt in our parliament I have to fully agree with Jan. How pointless this election may appear... not to vote is like spitting in the face of countless people who don't have the choice.Jan Zottmann wrote:While I strongly disagree about the political statement Markus has made here, I would just like to make one request: regardless of which democratic party you favor, please go and cast your vote on Sunday - it's important to keep in mind that there are many countries in the world where people don't have the right to elect their government. We sometimes tend to forget that democracy is not for granted...
I know I'm an idiot but I can't accept your offer. Thank you anyway, Jan! Just put one copy back on the shelf for me. Somehow someday I'll conjure up some money. Uhm... I guess when I got my shotty and start hunting drug dealers...Jan Zottmann wrote:@ Vosla: if you feel a free "Immortal" CD could cheer you up (just a bit), drop me a line.
All is lost.
