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Tas wrote:here's a great example of my thoughts....

lets look at Lazy Jones. Now before zombie nation got their hands on it, many people would be non the wiser about the sid.

Lazy who? is that a welshman?

now i bet everyone on this scene knows the sid or at least the remix. it's famous now, but why? cos someone had the balls to be different!
come one, honestly, do you think zombie nation made this remix to show that they are different? or to make the lazy jones-sid famous? they only used the tune because it had a great hookline and fits in a techno-dance-track. and i think they hoped that nobody will ever realise that they samples an old game-track!
Tas wrote:and thats me too. i will not follow what is classed as "The Norm", dare to be different, dare to be more enterprising. You get no favours in this world for being predictable and standing in the crowd.
really not? look at the success of shows like starsearch, popstars and all this crap!
but i got your point :D
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i did say big hits ya know ;) LOL!!

so you still really havn't answered my question, what big hits are left to cover?

As you say the above are personal and some of them i know and some i dont.

I'm thinking here, that there are few BIG HITTERS left to cover that havn't already been covered, and you say you don't also want to hear more of the same. so er? your point?

you can't have it both ways it seems, have big hitters then your repeating yourself which you don't want, or have something different which you also don't want. sort of like being damned if you do and damned if you don't.

if ya get my meaning!!! it's a no win situation i think!
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arvirus wrote: i think that differs from every person and, like chris said, even by country.
from the titles you named, only <b>shades, fist2, giana and barbarian</b> are known to me. maybe i just know too less games :)
(btw: wasn't shades a track for the 64'er-mag-competition? or was it used for game later?)
You don't know PARALLAX,THANATOS,SPELLBOUND,RUBICON,IRON LORD & TIMES OF LORE ?????? :shock:

well.... i can understand that most of you have never heard TALES OF BOON or my other stuff, most of you had probably never heard my name before i appeared on remix64 but that's another story :lol:

Don't get me wrong <b>arvirus</b>, but I think the tunes have been a good choice and a great balance of major and minor SID-HITS :wink:

OK, we will see, NEIL took a great step forward with this release and my thumbs are UP , and not because i am involved in it
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>come one, honestly, do you think zombie nation made this remix to >show that they are different? or to make the lazy jones-sid famous? >they only used the tune because it had a great hookline and fits in a >techno-dance-track. and i think they hoped that nobody will ever realise >that they samples an old game-track!

now your think exactly like me arvid :)

keep the part where you said...."It's a great hookline and fits in a techno-dance-track"

walla, same goes for v2 of r64. if yer get my drift! tho it's not techno!
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I agree to some point, Neil, and having listened to the snippets a few more times, I reckon I will buy the CD when it comes out. To my mind, the big difference between it and the likes of ZN is that ZN is just a hook - much, much simpler, and therefore less of an original to draw on.

Mind you, it'd be interesting to hear an album that does take really catchy C64 hooks and runs with them. Several favourite remixes of mine are in this vein, such as Kent's WotEF stuff, and the Freon mix of Ballblazer...

I think with R64 2, the production is what will sell it. I don't really care for many of the original SIDs, and there's certainly little nostalgia there (the same was true for me and BIT 2). However, the general quality of the music wins out (unlike BIT 2 in my opinion, as I really didn't care all that much for that CD...)
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> unlike BIT 2 in my opinion, as I really didn't care all that much for
> that CD...)
Heh, that's what I get for not beta-testing it on you, I guess...!
Seriously, opinions about the CDs are all over the place... each
CD has its fans and its detractors: it's amazing how different everybody
actually is!

> it's a no win situation i think!
Welcome to my world, Neil :)

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Chris Abbott wrote:Heh, that's what I get for not beta-testing it on you, I guess...!
:D

Actually, I think it was down to it not (for me, at least) being as much of a leap from BIT1 as I'd have liked, and several ropey tunes let it down. Now BIT3, on the other hand...
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Hey, I'll kill ANYONE who disses Roland's Rat Race or Rydeen... I'm warning you...!! *grrr* :)
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Tas wrote:I'm thinking here, that there are few BIG HITTERS left to cover that havn't already been covered, and you say you don't also want to hear more of the same. so er? your point?

you can't have it both ways it seems, have big hitters then your repeating yourself which you don't want, or have something different which you also don't want. sort of like being damned if you do and damned if you don't.

if ya get my meaning!!! it's a no win situation i think!
i completely agree with you! but i didn't said that i have a solution for this "problem". i was only expressing my thoughts.
one way out could be your solution: releasing a cd with mostly not-so-well-known tracks (okay, that's a matter of opinion).
another solution could be: stop releasing remix-cds! like you said before: "i'm not about to fix something thats not broken! "
anybody has another solution to offer?
tom wrote: You don't know PARALLAX,THANATOS,SPELLBOUND,RUBICON,IRON LORD & TIMES OF LORE ?????? :shock:
Don't get me wrong <b>arvirus</b>, but I think the tunes have been a good choice and a great balance of major and minor SID-HITS :wink:
i don't! :) and don't get me wrong: i don't consider these tracks as classics. like chris wrote: "it's amazing how different everybody actually is!" :wink:
or maybe i just played the "wrong" games... :D
Tas wrote: now your think exactly like me arvid :)

keep the part where you said...."It's a great hookline and fits in a techno-dance-track"

walla, same goes for v2 of r64. if yer get my drift! tho it's not techno!
now you got me, tas! :wink: but still that's no reason for _me_ to buy the cd.
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Chris Abbott wrote:Hey, I'll kill ANYONE who disses Roland's Rat Race or Rydeen... I'm warning you...!! *grrr* :)
i love rydeen! it's so cheesy that it's already lovely! :lol:
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> another solution could be: stop releasing remix-cds!
doo-doo-doo-doo Deja Vu thread :)

Actually, I think the rate will slow down a bit from here on in. The
only reason there were so many really was that people got all
enthusiastic about remixing. And of course, such enthusiasm has to
go somewhere :)

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i don't! and don't get me wrong: i don't consider these tracks as classics. like chris wrote: "it's amazing how different everybody actually is!"
or maybe i just played the "wrong" games...
:lol: yeah it seems that we all have different point of views on several tracks, anyway , next time we should start a poll here on remix64 with 100 of sids to choose from and everyone can vote for their classics :wink:
Only the high votes wil get on the CD :P he,he,he

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I think R64 vol 2will also need careful marketing: in that people who buy a CD for a tune still pretty much don't expect large amounts of original
material. This is why I let people download the whole of Dreamscapes in lo-fi (though I really ought to update all those clips and put hi-fi ones
of Dreamscapes as well). Renaming all the tracks was also a clue, too. And saying "this is not a remix CD". That pretty much covered it :)

By now I was hoping that some of the arrangers would have developed a musical following of their own (such as Glyn, for example), so there could be a gradual transition to original material from musicians people trust: which is another healthy way for the scene to develop outwards. Makke's
album is an example of that: it's a Makke album which only coincidentally
remixes SIDs. That makes it not a remix album, but something which
is more general. That also makes it imperative to try and find other
outlets: a quest which is still going on, workload notwithstanding.

The problem is the remix thing is a double-edged sword: sure, if you get it
right there's a ready audience you don't have to persuade, but on the
other hand, different standards are applied to this musical sector than
any other: no one argues that record labels should stop releasing
records because the stuff on mp3.com is so good, and no one argues
that record labels are releasing too much stuff generally ("You've
got too many acts on your label: stop it!!"). But then, they're
not all trying to sell to the same bunch of people every time (which is a problem even if you only release one CD a year).

But I guess blurring
the line between "remix" and "track which has the same name as a game
but very little of the tune left" mostly leaves the listener with a sense
of betrayal, unless it's done really well. Output64 gave me this feeling
in spades.

Another point I'd make is that if you took a poll, you wouldn't
have a clear consensus as to what CDs should exist, and what shouldn't,
and the alternative isn't necessarily that the tracks would be put on RKO.
You'll find that many of the tracks on the CDs wouldn't have existed at
all if they hadn't a CD project to attach them to. The argument on
the other thread boiled down to "stop releasing CDs I don't like",
which is a crappy argument because (a) how do you know what that
person likes without creating the CD for them to judge?, and
(b) everyone likes different CDs. One of the whole points
about developing a range of stuff was so that everyone would like at
least something, and the people who were being ignored by the
BIT series would have something else of quality to listen to. I'm sure
there's now nobody who doesn't dislike at least one C64 remix CD,
or at least not like it. Nexus was a controversial one, even though the
covers were straight covers: it still suffered from the track listing thing.

But, there's no easy answers. We just muddle along, and accept that
there will be some CDs we like better than others. And if you can bring
yourself to buy the ones you don't like for the greater good: well, then
that makes you saintly, and deserving of a place in Hubbard heaven :)

For the record, the next release after Sidologie won't even be a remix CD. And after that there's the following CDs.

Makke (not a remix CD, and not claiming to be, more an experiment)
CD featuring FTC and others (next year)
BIT 4 (next year)
... and then just BITs, pretty much. Unless Larsec does that concept
album! (Lars: did you get the CDs yet?).

I will also be doing some more New Age CDs when I've got the New
Age website up and running, but they won't really be C64 related
at all. Well, OK, they might, but only peripherally.

Incidentally, just for the record, here's the list of CDs which I actually
commissioned:

BIT 1
BIT 2
BIT 3
Karma64
Crystal Dreamscapes
Sidologie
Instant Remedy

The ones that "turned up" (i.e. it wasn't my idea, but the
CD was worthy of release)

Nexus 6581
PPOT
Remix64
Galway Remixed
R64 Vol 2
Input64
Output64

As you can see, this looks less like a concentrated plan to flood the
market than a lot of people getting very enthusiastic about doing CDs.

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As you can see, this looks less like a concentrated plan to flood the
market than a lot of people getting very enthusiastic about doing CDs.
yeah absolutely right,mate :wink: btw: the poll thing was ironic :)
There is nothing wrong about doing CD's ,
i remember me dreaming of an own CD back in the
early 90's when JOCHEN HIPPEL released
<b>"GIVE IT A TRY"</b> and I thought
"WHOW" I like to do this as well, but how ??
Back at those days it was not so easy to do a CD-Recording !!!!
Nowadays it is very easy and not as expensive as it was in the 90's , so why not doing remix/cover/remake cd's?
As Chris said " Nobody is forced to buy one" :wink:

Even <b>MARKUS SCHNEIDER</b> and myself are planing to do an <b>"X-AMPLE" Soundtrack CD</b> with all the tunes we have done,
but believe me, this project is not a "EARN MONEY" thing
'cos this doesn't really matter to me anymore.....

Maybe even a DVD would be nice with GFX from THOMAS HEINRICH and my brother MICHAEL , since i own the HARD & SOFTWARE to do this, even such a kind of project is possible today and the cost of doing DVD's
are not that high 8)

well, it is always nice how large such threads can be
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Chris Abbott wrote:... and then just BITs, pretty much. Unless Larsec does that concept album! (Lars: did you get the CDs yet?).
No, not yet... But I got my "Star Wars Galaxies - An Empire Divided" BETA CDs today :)
I thought it was the CDs from you at first, though...
<--- I went that way --->
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