C64 colors

trace · Post by **trace** » 26/03/2006 - 10:54

What emulator has the most accurate colors?

Post by **LMan** » 26/03/2006 - 11:55

From my own perception it's WinVICE.

Jax · Post by **Jax** » 26/03/2006 - 12:38

That's a bit subjective, too...

Just as something looks awesome on your monitor, it could look like crap on a different one

Jax

merman · Post by **merman** » 26/03/2006 - 17:16

A lot of people use the "Pepto" palette in VICE for screenshots.

trace · Post by **trace** » 26/03/2006 - 17:25

merman wrote:A lot of people use the "Pepto" palette in VICE for screenshots.

Pepto? where can i find those colors? i can't find it in vice...

Kenz · Post by **Kenz** » 26/03/2006 - 21:04

I use the Rune64 colourset for WinVice - you can see it in all the BZPD demodisk screenshots. Pleasingly accurate.

moog · Post by **moog** » 26/03/2006 - 22:01

palette is in fact subjective.

But WinVice has very useful feature : pal-emulation. It makes picture very similar to the oldfashionable C= monitors.

merman · Post by **merman** » 26/03/2006 - 22:45

trace wrote:
merman wrote:A lot of people use the "Pepto" palette in VICE for screenshots.
Pepto? where can i find those colors? i can't find it in vice...

I thought they'd added it in a recent version, but I can't find it in 1.19.
Anyway, here's a link:

http://www.pepto.de/projects/colorvic/

tony.rc · Post by **tony.rc** » 26/03/2006 - 22:52

The commonly used palettes for emulation are Pepto's and Deekay's.

Without firing up the emulation debate, colours are quite different (even when using PAL-TV emulation) in comparison to using a C64 on a TV or old C= monitor

I've especially noticed the dark Grey is very strong (almost black). Something I should remember considering I had a 128D when I was a kid which has in the light Green and dark Grey Basic 7 screen. Furthermore the edges of colours blur together too as opposed to sharp colour edges of emulation.

Matrix · Post by **Matrix** » 27/03/2006 - 1:12

Doesn't all this depend if people use gamma correction on their video card / Monitor Setup RGB blocks ? Surely if they doin't any colours will come out wrong anyway ! however rendered.

What we really need, is to sample the RGB values from a c64 screenshot in photoshop and compare that with dropper values from (insert emu of choice) to compare.

Post by **LMan** » 27/03/2006 - 6:04

Yes, colour correction is a form of art on its own. And, every TV set / monitor was propably adjusted differently regarding brightness, contrast, saturisation etc... thus as the others said the "right" VIC palette remains a subjective thing. WinVice and CCS look pretty much like how I remember it, especially with PAL Emulation. Older versions of Frodo or PC64 just looked wrong / far too saturated.

Lagerfeldt · Post by **Lagerfeldt** » 27/03/2006 - 16:29

I think Power64 on Mac is more accurate than most of the PC emus. I haven't A/B tested with a real C64, just my memory.

CraigG · Post by **CraigG** » 27/03/2006 - 17:04

Pepto's is the default in Power64, for what it's worth.

trace · Post by **trace** » 27/03/2006 - 17:21

merman wrote:
trace wrote:
merman wrote:A lot of people use the "Pepto" palette in VICE for screenshots.
Pepto? where can i find those colors? i can't find it in vice...
I thought they'd added it in a recent version, but I can't find it in 1.19.
Anyway, here's a link:

http://www.pepto.de/projects/colorvic/

Those colors do look good allthough i guess it is like you all say gamma correction and old, new monitors and seeing the c64 colors on a tv is ALOT different

And much i guess is in the eyes of the beholder

Post by **LMan** » 27/03/2006 - 17:34

For your convenicence:
http://www.remix64.com/download.php/282/pepto.vpl