I'm not sure exactly which subsong (or all of them) he referred to, and I don't know how many remixes on RKO and CDs are already done, but it might be something else to include on a CD, Rob finalizing one of his ideas to cover himself?this idea about doing a custom version of this tune with synths etc...
What do you want from Rob now??
In the STIL entry for W.A.R, Rob mentions
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> Is it me, or did he not do that for W.A.R on bit3
Yes, he did. If BIT 3 was still available, I'd be mightily plugging it here, I can tell you. Carlsson, have you every visited the CD shop and listened to the clips (ironically WAR isn't available)? Apart from telling you what's been covered they're a pretty good listen.
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Yes, he did. If BIT 3 was still available, I'd be mightily plugging it here, I can tell you. Carlsson, have you every visited the CD shop and listened to the clips (ironically WAR isn't available)? Apart from telling you what's been covered they're a pretty good listen.
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Ja, ja.. I did have some sort of disclaimer about not recently checking the contents of C64Audio CDs (and probably should've read through the track list before posting). 
Anyway, as the particular recording is out of print, I wasn't 100% wrong. Although STIL isn't a place for advertisments, it might be worthwhile to update composer and other comments not longer entirely valid.
(BBS technical point: I had previously not noticed that phpBB lacks a "real name" field in the profile, but I'm sure there is a good reason why there isn't one)
Anyway, as the particular recording is out of print, I wasn't 100% wrong. Although STIL isn't a place for advertisments, it might be worthwhile to update composer and other comments not longer entirely valid.
(BBS technical point: I had previously not noticed that phpBB lacks a "real name" field in the profile, but I'm sure there is a good reason why there isn't one)
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Hi there! :O)
Just read those two threads about the "Hubbard Project" thing.
There was some talk about the point in making this CD, as there is no such thing as hubbards original C64 (SID) to play them on. I can see the nostagic value of that of course, especially with the very varied filter responses of the 6581. I was just thinking; why not just try out a lot of different SID chips, and let Rob do the judging?... Maybe he would be capable of remembering how they SHOULD sound. Just take a really well-filtered tune like Delta in-game music and let him judge on that. If Rob remember when he bought his machine (I recall having heard on some movie, that he bought his VERY early) it might be possible to narrow in on the revision of SID used also (probably R1). But then also, I believe he may have made many tunes on different machines also further complicating this thing (did he not make Commando in-house?). If you look at the different SID revisions, the only real difference is the filter, so any tune of his not using the filter (there surely are a few of these right?) would be easily authentically played on almost any SID.
As I've been delving about with a lot of different SID chips lately, I've by the way come to the conclusion, that the main difference in the 6581s (within a certain revision though) is the range that the filter works in. This can be best described as this:
A SID chip has a filter cutoff range from 0 to 2047. In theory this should mean that the filter is fully closed at value 2047 (brightest setting) and fully open at value 0 (dullest setting). The problem with 6581 in this is, that the values for open/closed vary from chip to chip so that one chip will have it's range from perhaps 512 to 1800, andother from 800 to 2000 etc.
So basically, a SID would theoretically be "perfect" if it's range is from 0 to 2047, which is rarely the case (I've got one that is though! ;O). Knowing this fact should by the way make it possible to make almost any SID more precise, if one could do a callibration in a player!
Maybe this reply was a bit more technical than should be allowed, but anyway, I could not help myself replying this. :O)
Just read those two threads about the "Hubbard Project" thing.
There was some talk about the point in making this CD, as there is no such thing as hubbards original C64 (SID) to play them on. I can see the nostagic value of that of course, especially with the very varied filter responses of the 6581. I was just thinking; why not just try out a lot of different SID chips, and let Rob do the judging?... Maybe he would be capable of remembering how they SHOULD sound. Just take a really well-filtered tune like Delta in-game music and let him judge on that. If Rob remember when he bought his machine (I recall having heard on some movie, that he bought his VERY early) it might be possible to narrow in on the revision of SID used also (probably R1). But then also, I believe he may have made many tunes on different machines also further complicating this thing (did he not make Commando in-house?). If you look at the different SID revisions, the only real difference is the filter, so any tune of his not using the filter (there surely are a few of these right?) would be easily authentically played on almost any SID.
As I've been delving about with a lot of different SID chips lately, I've by the way come to the conclusion, that the main difference in the 6581s (within a certain revision though) is the range that the filter works in. This can be best described as this:
A SID chip has a filter cutoff range from 0 to 2047. In theory this should mean that the filter is fully closed at value 2047 (brightest setting) and fully open at value 0 (dullest setting). The problem with 6581 in this is, that the values for open/closed vary from chip to chip so that one chip will have it's range from perhaps 512 to 1800, andother from 800 to 2000 etc.
So basically, a SID would theoretically be "perfect" if it's range is from 0 to 2047, which is rarely the case (I've got one that is though! ;O). Knowing this fact should by the way make it possible to make almost any SID more precise, if one could do a callibration in a player!
Maybe this reply was a bit more technical than should be allowed, but anyway, I could not help myself replying this. :O)
Regards, Jess D. Skov-Nielsen (Razmo).
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Many thanks for that Razmo - didn't understand a great deal of it, but I'm certainly in your camp regarding Hubbard trying out the selected tunes on different SID chips.
This subject has kind of died a death, and what makes it even worse is that once again people are talking about reviewing issue/tactical voting once again, instead of focusing on the actual music. Last week I made a compilation CD of pure Hubbard SIDs for the car - and I've been greatly enjoying listening to it. I know the filters used for SIDPlay aren't perfect (ended up turning all filters off!) and I imagine listening to Hubbard tunes more like the way they were intended.
I know Chris that you are a busy man, but is there any progress in this area mate ? Has Rob expressed an interest in this project - or is he even aware of it. New stuff / Old stuff / don't matter to me. BTW most people didn't hear Kentilla at BIT Live because of the 'buzz' of excitement in the place.
Cheers
This subject has kind of died a death, and what makes it even worse is that once again people are talking about reviewing issue/tactical voting once again, instead of focusing on the actual music. Last week I made a compilation CD of pure Hubbard SIDs for the car - and I've been greatly enjoying listening to it. I know the filters used for SIDPlay aren't perfect (ended up turning all filters off!) and I imagine listening to Hubbard tunes more like the way they were intended.
I know Chris that you are a busy man, but is there any progress in this area mate ? Has Rob expressed an interest in this project - or is he even aware of it. New stuff / Old stuff / don't matter to me. BTW most people didn't hear Kentilla at BIT Live because of the 'buzz' of excitement in the place.
Cheers
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I know Chris that you are a busy man, but is there any progress in this area mate ? Has Rob expressed an interest in this project - or is he even aware of it. New stuff / Old stuff / don't matter to me. BTW most people didn't hear Kentilla at BIT Live because of the 'buzz' of excitement in the place.
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Rob does know about the project, and had a positive reaction: no more progress so far because of all the other things happening: it's very important that the C64Audio rewrite finally happen. It's getting embarrassing.
Chris
I know Chris that you are a busy man, but is there any progress in this area mate ? Has Rob expressed an interest in this project - or is he even aware of it. New stuff / Old stuff / don't matter to me. BTW most people didn't hear Kentilla at BIT Live because of the 'buzz' of excitement in the place.
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Rob does know about the project, and had a positive reaction: no more progress so far because of all the other things happening: it's very important that the C64Audio rewrite finally happen. It's getting embarrassing.
Chris
I think that the creativity and integrity of the Rob will shine through no matter what he does.
As much as I want to hear the Boston Philharmonic play Zoids with Rob on piano... *twitch*
Rob on piano, Madfiddler on fiddle, and Steve Vai on geetar.
Oh dear sweet baby Jeebus. *twitch, twitch*
Gnurrrgh!
As much as I want to hear the Boston Philharmonic play Zoids with Rob on piano... *twitch*
Rob on piano, Madfiddler on fiddle, and Steve Vai on geetar.
Oh dear sweet baby Jeebus. *twitch, twitch*
Gnurrrgh!
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Yeah, but does Vai want to be shown up? 
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