Commodore Remix

no comment !!


REVIEW BY DEADSTONE (15/03/2003)
Dear TAS!

Thanks for Your review, BUT!
I’ve never heard about Glyn R Brown, or that remix64 competition. My Own imagination gave birth to this remix. Original ideas and conception, so DON’T ACCUSE ME OF PLAGIARISING!
Is it flat and emotionless? Maybe…
Headstone, the Arranger of Sacred Armour Of Antiriad


okay.. one comment:

dear headstone,
wrong place and wrong style to place SUCH a message....


cheers 2Klang

Another point is that some people seem to be writing reviews just to see their nickname appear on R64, or how do you see this:

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Cauldron II - I am a Pumpkin Man - arranged by trauma
REVIEW BY HBASM (28/02/2003)

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The nostalgic impression doesn't exist for me, because I don't relate this sound to the C64, and I haven't played the game.
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If someone DOES NOT KNOW the original SID, how can he dare to write
a review on a remix of it?

All the better to be honest putzi.

If this is the case he's reviewed it as a piece of music rather than a remix.

putzi wrote:Godt skuldret drenge. I gør mig stolt af min nationalitet.

I'm not danish, but I think it says something like:

"Good going, guys. Makes me proud of my nationality."

@Neil: There are surely websites where people can review music unknown to them, like the latest Britney Spears track or something like this. I think this R64-site is not the place to release some hot air, or what? A reviewer should have some better C64-relation, like LaLa or Michael Schwendt or in general: a scener, not just some "I dropped in and write reviews"-guy.

@putzi

i understand where your coming from pal. but who's to say that this guy hasn't been following the scene in the background for sometime.

the music at rko and c64 related site isn't just for the sceners to enjoy, the chap has a right to listen to this music and to comment on it if he feels.

yep, he could go to websites where the music is unknown to him, but maybe he's quite taken bny the sounds of the c64, it would be unfair to say to people you can't review a piece of music cos your not an active part of the scene.

because the music is based on the c64, doesn't mean you can't look at it as a piece of muisc rather than a remix. i think you get an unbiased view when you don't know the original tune.

I won't limit r64 to a specialised group of people, people who stumble upon the scene with no prior knowledge of it, should be welcomed and not alienated.

@Neil: Am I really asking to much when I say that reviewers should at least listen to the SID before they review a remix?
Otherwise it´s really getting a "I want to see my name appear on R64"-thing.
Some kind of Honorabili-reviewer then

i dunno, i suppose there are two trains of thought here. I think we both have a case.

anyone else want to shed their wisdom on this subject?

i ask can you review a remix without looking at it as a remix? or do you need to know the original?

Neil--i agree that you don't need to know the original. For instance, I love TDG's Judge Dredd cover, but had only heard the original years and years ago and had totally forgotten about it (I didn't even recognise it).

However, such reviews still need to be constructive. There's little point in saying stuff like "I can't really comment on this, because I don't know the original", which has appeared a couple of times now.

If it hasn't already happened, I would _strongly_ recommend moving the guidelines to above the review box, so they are totally in your face, rather than something a few people might notice if they scroll the window.

agreed 100% craig, they don't need to point out things unconstructively.

Also agreed about moving the guidelines, how about making them bright RED (make them stand out more)

I'll discuss this with Lman

Howdy again,

it seems I'll have to implement a review approval thingy. I had already prepared that in the data structure, I hoped we wouldn't be needing it. I will code the additions as soon as I have a little more spare time....

- Markus

Personally, I don't really care what the original sounds like. I go to RKO to listen to good music, not good remixes... That's what has kept me back from writing reviews so far; The fact that I wouldn't review them as remixes probably but as individual pieces of music (which they still are in some aspects)...
Were I to start reviewing I would surely listen to the original SID before reviewing but it probably wouldn't have an effect on the ouput...

Larsec wrote:... That's what has kept me back from writing reviews so far; The fact that I wouldn't review them as remixes probably but as individual pieces of music (which they still are in some aspects)...

yep, you're right larsec, that's exactly the same reason
why i don't write reviews....


cheers 2Klang

2Klang wrote:

Larsec wrote:... That's what has kept me back from writing reviews so far; The fact that I wouldn't review them as remixes probably but as individual pieces of music (which they still are in some aspects)...

yep, you're right larsec, that's exactly the same reason
why i don't write reviews....


cheers 2Klang

I've sobered up my act. However, I believe rating the music as Music is just as justified as reviewing it base on how it relates to the original sid. Lala, for instance, has a very orthodox view on when a remix is bad (when it departs from the original) and likes short tunes. I am happy to hear interesting interpretations, yes complete rewrites, and like long songs. Both opinions can coexist can't they?

Are you sure your reluctance to review isn't founded in you yourself being an active musician as well? I mean one should not throw stones when one lives in a green house

i agree entirely, i think there are two ways to look at a remix and neither are wrong.

i do prefer to know the source material first, but i don't think it's wrong to review it as a piece of music either. I do it my way, others do it their way.

They are both right!