Editorial 12/05

ifadeo · Post by **ifadeo** » 05/12/2005 - 15:05

it was great fun reading it.... it's like murphy's law for a musicans...

great stuff, thx chris....

btw. happy x-klang (enjoy my firelord remix to get in the mood....)

cheers ifadeo

merman · Post by **merman** » 05/12/2005 - 16:39

Yeah, people do read your editorials Chris. Even if it is only to find out what pun you've made about Boz's photo this time

dan gillgrass · Post by **dan gillgrass** » 05/12/2005 - 17:00

merman wrote:Yeah, people do read your editorials Chris. Even if it is only to find out what pun you've made about Boz's photo this time

There are puns?

Boz · Post by **Boz** » 06/12/2005 - 15:17

Hehe, your editorials are always amusing to read, even if they are about doom and gloom

Chris Abbott · Post by **Chris Abbott** » 06/12/2005 - 15:18

merman wrote:Yeah, people do read your editorials Chris. Even if it is only to find out what pun you've made about Boz's photo this time

I love that photo. It says so many things to me

Boz · Post by **Boz** » 07/12/2005 - 12:32

Chris Abbott wrote:I love that photo. It says so many things to me

Hehe... it's best if you don't ask how I managed to pull that face for the photo

Hazel · Post by **Hazel** » 07/12/2005 - 13:18

Just read the editorial... Damn.. You really got it right..

That's exactly how it goes.. At least for me

And Boz... That face.. errrhm..

This is the reason why I never attended to the Slay Gathering.. (just kidding) hehe...

Tonka · Post by **Tonka** » 08/12/2005 - 12:29

Yeah - bang on, Chris - releasing stuff is scary shit...

Fact is though that at the end of the day, a remixer/writer is pretty much on their own - I'm not sure the beta tester thing is always a good idea...

Beta testers can only give their opinion on what they can physically hear at any particular stage in a songs creation, and often don't have the foresight to see what a track could become. By the time you have changed this that and the other for the 'nth beta tester, you are left with a compromised, watered down concept that at best is non-offensive...

Only the remixer can visualize what the end result could sound like. You really have to trust your own judgement over anyone else's, until the track is complete.

Even then, one man's meat is another man's poison, and all that stuff...

Tonka

Chris Abbott · Post by **Chris Abbott** » 08/12/2005 - 12:41

Tonka wrote:Yeah - bang on, Chris - releasing stuff is scary shit...

Fact is though that at the end of the day, a remixer/writer is pretty much on their own - I'm not sure the beta tester thing is always a good idea...

Beta testers can only give their opinion on what they can physically hear at any particular stage in a songs creation, and often don't have the foresight to see what a track could become. By the time you have changed this that and the other for the 'nth beta tester, you are left with a compromised, watered down concept that at best is non-offensive...

Only the remixer can visualize what the end result could sound like. You really have to trust your own judgement over anyone else's, until the track is complete.

Even then, one man's meat is another man's poison, and all that stuff...

Tonka

I've always found beta-testers kind of a reality check, actually. Useful for confirming stuff you already know (proving it's not in your mind), useful for telling you when a style isn't working... but of course you always have to run it through the "is this merely a difference of opinion?" filter. And often they come up with good ideas that resonate with what your original idea was. But you do need to have a strong vision of what you were attempting to do, and then make sure it remains internally consistent...

That said, Karma and Dreamscapes were only beta-tested in release candidate stage, since having Boz around meant we could give each other reality checks ("Boz, are you still real? Excellent.")

Chris

Tonka · Post by **Tonka** » 08/12/2005 - 12:59

I've always found beta-testers kind of a reality check, actually. Useful for confirming stuff you already know (proving it's not in your mind), useful for telling you when a style isn't working... but of course you always have to run it through the "is this merely a difference of opinion?" filter. And often they come up with good ideas that resonate with what your original idea was. But you do need to have a strong vision of what you were attempting to do, and then make sure it remains internally consistent...

That said, Karma and Dreamscapes were only beta-tested in release candidate stage, since having Boz around meant we could give each other reality checks ("Boz, are you still real? Excellent.")

Chris

Yeah - I guess it comes down to the important question of 'How many beta testers is too many beta testers'?

I guess in a band/duo scenario, the beta testers are the members themselves - I think I prefer that method. At least you know that all persons have a common interest and like the same style of music you are trying to create.

There are so many C64 remix styles now that nobody can possible like them all. I don't particularly like the 'hard rock' style remixes, but that's not to say they are not good - I just can't tell if they are or not...

Tonka