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MASTERING, how to do it ?!!

Posted: 09/10/2003 - 19:07
by tom
Well, since Mastering is a difficult thing to do, "help" and "how to's" are always welcome,right?!

http://www.digido.com/

Select Articles and read what you want to know :wink:

PHUN
TOM:::.. :lol:

Posted: 09/10/2003 - 22:03
by Rafael Dyll
Great stuff Thomas. That'll get me reading through the night I guess. :)

Rafael

Posted: 10/10/2003 - 6:17
by tom
:lol: me too ,when i first discovered this website !!
Really great information and background stories written by Bob Katz, who's a real mastering legend :wink:
I learned a lot from his articles !!
I recommend this page to everyone who want to get the best out of his production , even on lower equipment - it's worth to read through the tips and tricks , believe me!

have a great day
TOM:::::....

Posted: 10/10/2003 - 10:23
by DHS
Ok Tom, read on.

With each new release i make i try to improve my mastering skills.
In fact, every time i change radically my approach.

Listening to my latest i must say i reached a level that's very close (if not equal) to the average commercial trance releases.

But, if i put up a 666 cd (i tried using "Mueve" as reference) my balls fall down. That's all another story. So, big praises from me to your mastering skills.

The question is:
What's your "usual" approach?

For example: in my last release (Total Epygt), leaving out single-tracks procession (usual stuff, as bassdrum compression and so on) i used in the master track:

-EQ: to cut away freqs between the 40 and 100 hz and to level the curve with the typical descending slope.
-Multiband compressor: to adjust the frequencies compression.
-Limiter/Dither: usual limiting and type2 dithering.

Of course, all in digital domain.

I'd like to know what's your "standard" approach.
Do you go on the analog side or do u use mastering plugins too? And if the answer is plugins, wich ones and in wich order?

Bye :)

Posted: 10/10/2003 - 17:30
by tom
Hi DHS,

you know, i am an old ANALOGUE GUY who is using the benefits of the digital world as well :wink:
Most of my equipment is analogue and outboard, look at
http://www.airbase-media.com in the <b>MEDIA - SECTION</b> for loads of images from the studio!

I use a BEHINGER COMBINATOR (multiband compressor/levler) in the main inserts of my Soundtracks "TOPAZ" Mixer and it is <b>ON</b> from the very first start of a new track!
Like you, I make loads of use of the LOW CUT filter to cut frequencies from 30/40 up to 120hz because the very low freq. are taking away main level!
I always use a second COMBINATOR only for the BASSDRUM and BASS and some Percussions, if needed.
After that, i record the complete track directly into my computer (24bit/48khz) with a headroom of "1" or "2" DB.
Next step is Editing of course, with first NORMALIZE to "0" then i use the AUDIO ENERGIZER from EMAGIC Logic Audio (it is integrated since the early version of LA 2.5) and i put 50% ENERGIZE LEVEL (with 5% ATTACK and 10% RELEASE) on the file.It gives more level to the mix!
After that i use EMAGICS AD-Limiter with a medium limiting on it and that's all ! BTW: the AD-Limiter is nearly the same like WAVES L1+ ,the only diff. is that it is an EMAGIC L.A.6* Plug-In and it's a bit better in my opinion!

Well, i hope i could have answered some of your questions and good luck for the next mix :wink:

cheers
TOM::::.

Image

Here's a picture of the 2 compressors working :)

Posted: 10/10/2003 - 19:30
by DHS
tom wrote:Hi DHS,

you know, i am an old ANALOGUE GUY who is using the benefits of the digital world as well :wink:
That's a wise choice imho :)
tom wrote:I always use a second COMBINATOR only for the BASSDRUM and BASS and some Percussions, if needed.
So, you have a pre-master feeded with 2 multiband compressors.
I'll have a try to that :)
tom wrote: Next step is Editing of course, with first NORMALIZE to "0" then i use the AUDIO ENERGIZER from EMAGIC Logic Audio (it is integrated since the early version of LA 2.5) and i put 50% ENERGIZE LEVEL (with 5% ATTACK and 10% RELEASE) on the file.It gives more level to the mix!
What's the purpose of thi energizer? Is it an analog saturation emulator?
tom wrote: After that i use EMAGICS AD-Limiter with a medium limiting on it and that's all ! BTW: the AD-Limiter is nearly the same like WAVES L1+ ,the only diff. is that it is an EMAGIC L.A.6* Plug-In and it's a bit better in my opinion!
I'm currently using L2, but i think i'll go back to L1 too.
tom wrote: Well, i hope i could have answered some of your questions and good luck for the next mix :wink:
Thanx for the tips Tom :)

cheers.

Posted: 10/10/2003 - 20:19
by tas
hehe, no wonder i asked tom do do the main mastering for r64 v2 :)

i bow humbly :)

AUDIO ENERGIZER

Posted: 10/10/2003 - 20:19
by tom
Image

Well, here's an image of the Audio Energizer. Simple but effective!
I once tried it on a complete track in the early days (95/96) and i liked the results of it. Since that day i always use this to get more Level in a mix :wink:
This tool is even great for vocals and other sounds!
I normaly do this after the NORMALIZING , then AUDIO ENERGIZER plus L1+ or AD-Limiter (nowadays only AD-Limiter)

btw: I use these standard 50% 5ms /10ms values


:lol: TOM:::..
What's the purpose of thi energizer? Is it an analog saturation emulator?
I don't know what they are doing here, but it's a kind of a leveler i guess. I think they did not invent it for levling a complete pre-master ,but i tried it and it was great.
If you don't overuse it (means more then 60/70% of FACTOR USE)
then you won't hear no extra noise or something,no pumpin' nothing! :wink:

Posted: 10/10/2003 - 20:21
by tom
Tas wrote:hehe, no wonder i asked tom do do the main mastering for r64 v2 :)

i bow humbly :)
He,he... well some did not like my hands on their work :wink:
But it's always a Q of T , right!?!

TOM::::

Posted: 10/10/2003 - 20:26
by tas
I think some just envisioned it differently tom. I actually never heard anyone say they didn't like it, they just had different ideals. As you say it was deffinately a question of taste.

Posted: 10/10/2003 - 20:33
by tom
:lol: yeah, and they were right to tell me 'cos it is their work and it should sound like they want it.
Listen to most of the Hip-Hop & R'n'B stuff, for my taste totally overcompressed, but the if they like it,why not ?! :wink:
And they even accept clipping sometimes just to get the highest peak.

Re: AUDIO ENERGIZER

Posted: 11/10/2003 - 11:44
by DHS
I don't know what they are doing here, but it's a kind of a leveler i guess. I think they did not invent it for levling a complete pre-master ,but i tried it and it was great.
If you don't overuse it (means more then 60/70% of FACTOR USE)
then you won't hear no extra noise or something,no pumpin' nothing! :wink:
I'd like to understand what it does, maybe i can find fomething similar in the VST panorama.

Can you provide me for download a little soundfile as it is and the very same processed with a 50% of energizer?

Thanx.

Posted: 11/10/2003 - 13:17
by tom
<b>DHS wrote:</b>
Can you provide me for download a little soundfile as it is and the very same processed with a 50% of energizer?
http://www.xample-music.com/file_normalized.mp3
http://www.xample-music.com/file_energized.mp3

yes, of course. Both files are in 192/mp3
:wink:

cheers
TOM::...

Posted: 11/10/2003 - 17:02
by DHS

Forgive me father for I have sinned!<G>

Posted: 13/10/2003 - 15:13
by Hacky
Hi,

Interesting what u say about mastering there. It's always a head f**k when trying to talk about such things without being able to listen to examples of what it is you mean, so nice one putting those mp3's up there! I had a wee listen myself too.

But...forgive me but I have bastardised them, and you can listen to my perversion of your fine work here:
http://www.hygeia-health.co.uk/stuff/fi ... ky_ver.mp3

I did it coz I'd like to play a little game if you are willing? The game is, you have to let me know what you think of my ver of that mastering, and tell me brutally what u think of it, coz I done it the way I like to do things, and then I tell you how I did it. I can't tell you before you listen to it, or you'll err, puke.<G>